Monthly Archives: September 2014

Michie on “Third Places”

I come from the so-called suburbia Ray Oldenburg describes in “Our Vanishing ‘Third Places’”. My childhood home has a property gate which defines the threshold between public and private property, a garage to house the cars which transport us to our nearest grocery stores and/or meetings with friends, and a fair amount of entertainment devices that keep us properly entertained in-house. Indeed, as Ray suggests, there was rarely a need for family to venture beyond that on the day-to-day.

For this reason, Oldenburg’s idea of “third places”, or informal gathering places, is intriguing to me. It explains why I’d always found an interest living in densely populated cities like New York and San Francisco. Where public gathering spaces are deeply integrated into the urban fabric of a city, there are endless opportunities for social interaction – i.e. public events, shops or even just on the street. Though this comes at the cost of personal privacy or individual autonomy, there’s no denying the fact that the living experience is more lively and the community more unified. Particularly for the young and the old, who in suburbia generally do not have the means or capacity to travel the long distances between the home and the nearest community center, this is crucial. My 81-year-old grandmother, who cannot drive and lives in a quiet, tree-lined residential neighborhood, looks forward to visits or meals out with the family, since they provide the sole opportunity of engaging with the community beyond her home.

As an answer to our lost physical “third places,” we have since created digital equivalents. Examples of this are social network platforms and online forums like Facebook or Reddit, which provide the ability to congregate, discuss and connect with others; and crowd-based service applications like Lyft and AirBnB that pride themselves on being able to encourage greater community engagement. With the exception of daily and spontaneous face-to-face interactions, digital “third places” arguably give us all that we could ever want or need on a scale that we could otherwise never recreate in the physical world.

I’m not sure what the next trend will be and whether we’ll eventually reach a happy medium between both physical and digital “third places”, but I’m definitely interested in seeing how that will play out in the future.

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Link to the blog for the reading.

(http://itsmikeysdesignblog.tumblr.com)

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Jeff on “Third Places”

There are many reasons for the increase in public vs. private space. It’s not that these places don’t exist, but the mind set of the people that use them have changed. A lot of people are more self-absorbed. Technology now plays a big role in the way in which we converse and interact. Even in public places that promote community and social interaction, people are too engaged in their own livelihood and their personal emails and messages to communicate with one another.

This can be regularly seen on the subway, where people are choosing the life style consisting mainly of a home-to-work-and-back-again shuttle. You walk down the street with your headphones on and then sit on the subway staring at your phone. There are unwritten rules on the subway or public bus. Don’t make eye contact and give people as much space as possible and if you try and talk to someone you might be seen as crazy. These spaces promote communication but we fall back on our routine of solitude.

Technology is evolving and so is our way of socializing. Using a phone or screen doesn’t mean it stops us from communication with each other, but is a new form of connecting and interaction with one another. There are certain things that may change because of this. We may see less community in our neighborhoods with fewer people knowing and talking with their neighbors. However there are places and groups online where people can form similar relationships with people of shared interest. This is a different type of “third place”, but still a place where people can virtually gather easily and pleasurably.

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Sam on “Third Places”

I come from a small island called the United Kingdom. We love privacy. Perhaps the only other country to display such reserved sensibilities is Japan, where people also share a small water-locked slither of land.

In light of this I’ve always admired America’s more outgoing culture. I figured the early settlers understood that if they were going to conquer this brave new world they were going to have to talk to strangers, leading the way to a land more prone to celebrating extroversion and openness.

But Oldenburg is right to lament modern suburbia. The ‘private’ space afforded by a car has led to a deep re-orientation of public space. Until I came to America, I’d never dreamed of a drive-through ATM.

Cities – particularly New York – are often considered unfriendly. I see this as mostly misconceived. New York is probably the most overly-social place in the world. A place where people fulfil three social engagements in one night, and pass on two more. The problem is that this intensity leads people to shut down sharply to strangers, there is only so much inter-personal stimulation a person can handle.

An easy deflection of the author’s critique, particularly 18 years after its writing, is to call the web – and particularly social media – today’s third place. I’d argue there are many nuances to this, some of which I’ve tackled in my own work. Connecting with strangers still requires a set of norms, permissions and affordances. Just because people can connect online, doesn’t mean they will feel comfortable doing so. Also, somewhat ironically, digital services that have had the most impact connecting nearby users really only gain traction in big cities with critical density – suburbunites who could really benefit from nearby networking are likely to encounter empty rooms and virtual tumbleweeds.

Of course, such norms, permissions and affordances are important in the physical plane too. His reference to dog-owners is interesting – in England a pet offers near complete permission to talk to a stranger, though often conversation is directed to the pet rather than the owner. I’m quite sure that millions of people only own pets to afford these kind of encounters, particularly with other pet owners.

I’d never considered that fleeing to ‘Sun Cities’ correlated with a lack of community and purpose post-retirement, but I think he is correct in this insight. However, I’d argue that some of these new retirement communities act as purpose-built third places, full of the kind of interactions he longs for. In this sense, I’m not sure this is a wholly negative development.

A lot of the issues with third places are really economic – with more disposable income people can pay to spend time in shared public (but private) spaces. I’m not sure he addressed this component as much as he might. In posing questions about inclusivity, I think access to third places – and the corresponding benefits he outlines – deserves to be a lens through which such issues are examined.

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Luke’s take on the disappearance of “Third Places”

You can find it on my blog here

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Week One: Spaces, Senses and Introductions

Class recap

We spent the first day of class getting acquainted with the course syllabus. Michael walked us through a few examples of projects he’s worked on that involve storytelling through space. To get us thinking about how different senses work together to shape our experiences, we did an exercise that involved performing tasks around the studio with a sensory impairment (examples: wearing a blindfold or sitting in a wheelchair).

Assignments

1. Reading (due 9/13) – Oldenburg Our Vanishing 3rd places. Create a blog post that has two ideas from the reading that stand out to you. Put it under the “Third Places” category (see screenshot below). Please post this by Saturday, Sept 13.

2. Assignment (due 9/15) – quick dirty individual project – take a project or an aspect of a project you have done at SVA (ideally your thesis) and locate it somewhere in the NYC subway system. Create a simple 3-5 minute presentation of it. Put a link to it or post it under the “Quick Indie Project” category. Please post this by 5pm on Monday, Sept 15.

When you create a new blog post to respond to this week's reading, check the "Third Places" category on the right panel before you publish.

When you create a new blog post to respond to this week’s reading, check the “Third Places” category on the right panel before you publish.

Likewise, when you create your project post, please sure sure to tag it with "Quick Indie Project"

Likewise, when you create your project post, please sure sure to tag it with “Quick Indie Project.”

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Welcome

Welcome to the class blog for Public Interfaces at SVA IxD.

This is where you will find the latest news from the class including the Syllabus and all assignments.

This is also where you will go to post your assignments/projects either as posts or as links within posts. Please make sure to use the necessary categories so that assignments can be easily organized and reviewed.

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