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Dami on Third Places

I have a home (First place) in two different places. One is in Seoul, South Korea where I was born and raised and other one is in New York City that I live now. Ironically, though I lived in Seoul longer than here, there are no my personal stuffs anymore in Seoul. Also, although I visit Seoul, with a joy of visiting my hometown, once every two years, I even feel some nameless awkwardness when I sometimes realize that there is no my own space completely in the house. Can I say that the house in Seoul is my first place? Then what about New York where I currently live? I honestly can’t say that this is a home completely for me either. There is no family here, I’m not USA citizen, and more of my close friends are in Seoul. Nevertheless, the reason I can say that this city is my current home as well as my third place is because I am building my life here.

When I think about the things that gave me small joys, while leading a busy life, in the third places, they were the relationships with people that I have built and communications I have had with them. Although I now live alone, I have spent more time with my roommates in New York. They befriended me when I was lonely and were willing to listen to my stories. I believe, through the people I met in the shared space in New York, a completely strange place at the time, I have been able to establish a more stable life for myself here. I also have been keeping in touch with my friend from Denmark I met in a youth hostel 6 years ago. Despite the differences in destinations and places where we live and the fact that we hardly get to see each other, it seems that the Internet and SNS have enabled us to keep in touch each other. I believe the relationships in the third place I have built with the people around me, such as the people at my favorite café, the salad store staff, who remembered my name and gave me macaroon to try, and the middle-aged gentlemen I met at Central park, who gave me small tips on life during a short conversation we had, etc., are making my everyday life more diverse and warm.

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Third Places

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Effy on “Third place”

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Need for the third space in Korea

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Korea is famous for its popular culture for night time entertainment.
People gather at pubs all the time. People go on a date with lovers, have reunion with college friends, hold a casual business meeting or family events. There always are alcohols whenever people meet.
Lots of my foreign friend like this culture saying that people are so cheerful and friendly. However, I have adverse feeling of drinking culture in Korea.
I think the problem is the fact that there are nowhere else to go other than pubs, and people don’t know what to do other than drinking when they want to meet people.
People go to pubs and drink to be drunk. Most popular drinks in Korea is soju, which is a traditional alcohol made from rice. It usually contains over 19% alcohols which is pretty high compared to beer and wine, and people tend to get drunken easily.
Korean society is highly hierarchical and that culture is also reflected in drinking culture. Often people are forced to drink over their appropriate amount. It is obviously bad for one’s health, and I believe this consequences in social problems.
It is natural that people just continue doing what they’ve done when they were young, at the age when one’s character is formed. Adults tend to keep enjoying late night life even after their marriage and birth. The more time people spend in drinking directly results in less time in the time spent at home. I believe that this is related to many social side effects originated from lack or communication and intimacy at home.
Number of coffee shops has increased incredibly in Korea during last few years, and I think this shows people’s thirst for alternative place for gathering. People need a space which is not a house nor a work place – the third place. I would like to add on more thing – people need space more than just a shopping mall. I believe library, stadium, and park can serve this function.

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On “Third Places” – Sunnie

While reading the “Third Places” by Ray Oldenburg, two “Third Places” (scenes) came into my mind.

“Third Place” 1

The company where I did my internship this summer is located at W4st and Broadway. During the internship, I walked pass the Washington Square Park almost every morning and afternoon. In such an interesting and vibrant “third place”, this is what I saw: every morning around 9, echo from the folk guitar singer under the Washington Arch welcomed my entering the park; a group of NYU students gathered at the same place as always for their field trips; in the open area surround by summer herbs, the yoga group lying in grid breathing the morning air; homeless people find their shelter under the trees, running squirrels and wandering pigeons knew not to wake them up from the dreams on the grass bed… After 6pm, the park became an even more amazing“third place”, novel reading hipsters, Disco dancing guys, the comedy performance group, jazz band, excited tourists, chilling office ladies, laughing kids with Uncle Bubble, doodle artists… The park is a miniature of NYC that you can find all kind of amazement out of this informal gathering community. It makes me smile. Within a city with dense popularity and mostly vertical structure living/working style, the park creates a horizontal, wide “sorting areas” for people have shared interests; a safe and tolerant place for people to express themselves; also provide a sense of belonging, “the social anchors of community life”, which is essential for such a melting-pot city.

“Nor is it a coincidence that the joie de vivre cultures of the world are those in which third places are regarded as just as essential as home and work”, as Ray states in the article, ‘Joy in living’ depends upon people’s capacity to enjoy the company of those who live and work around them.” The chemistry generated by the community interaction and conversation bring life to the city, becoming one of the uniqueness of NYC’s characteristic. I think being exposure in this diverse community also help preventing falling in the restriction of “home-to-work-and-back-again” shuttle, create a psychological openness of mind.

“Third Place” 2

About four years ago, my grand parents who are in their 80s, moved into a new multi-floor apartment building. My families all felt happy about this move because the building located in the new CBD of the city they live in; the apartment was much newer and bigger than their old apartment; a within-10-minutes walk to the river side and the super market.  However, my grandpa felt depressed after he moved in. He kept visiting back to the old place that located in the old town near a train station. It used to be a community that all his old retired coworkers live in. Around the area were many small stores and restaurants along the street. In my memory the it was always crowded and chaotic.

I still remember our talk on their new balcony. “I went to my old home yesterday”, grandpa said. “Why going back again? It’s so far to take a bus from here and you must feel tired after such a long commute”, I asked. He said, “it’s still so good. I could just have a simple lunch in the corner restaurant. I could picked up a newspaper and read there, like I used to do everyday.” “But now you can stroll along the river and go to the super market, and the environment in this area is much better”. After a long while, he sighed, “People are gone. My old friends all move into new apartments around the city, we couldn’t play Majiong like the old days. I used to know all the people from those stores and restaurants, sometimes I chatted with them and their kids. Now I have no one to talk to. I don’t like supermarket… Sometimes I just felt lonely.”

I felt sad about how the new isolated urban living style rudely change the way the elderly, like my retired grandpa, used to live. As young people who has work and more social life outside of where we live, the apartment building is more of a space where we close the door and sleep. We spend our spare time elsewhere, but not for my grandpa. He can’t stay in front of the computer and TV all day like us. His routine is highly connected to the walk-distance community – the courtyard, newsstand, farmers market, tailored store, restaurant, with all the familiar connection – he need those people to build up his retired life, to spend time, to communicate information, to have neighbor’s help when emergency happened, and to have a spiritual support from the accompany that their busy younger families couldn’t provide. Perhaps it requires city designers in China of more empathy to design the “third places” for the elderly’s accommodation.

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Thoughts from Sarah on Third Places…

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Nga on “Third Places”

I appreciated the article “Vanishing Third Places” because it made me aware of the bigger picture we as designer have the capability to impact social behaviors and as an individual contributing to that space. As I’ve matured I’ve become more sensitive in my environment as a whole. Not just in the immediate space that I occupy such as my apartment or office but the “in between” in other word my commute to and fro subway to work, school and the establishments nearby which gives my neighborhood character. I may trade a modest living size space for a location that has charm and a sense of community. I find New York City is an exemplary in offering the different types of neighborhoods that I did not find growing up in suburban Delaware where I spent most of my childhood.

Before immigrating to the states my family lived in a small town in Vietnam where we had a modest farm and orchard. The small shop owner that carries candy and knick-knacks down the street would know me by name and always treated me like family. The neighbors all knew the head of households by their house numbers. My grandmother was known as lady #4. My family ran two bustling open cafes– one in Saigon and one in our town walking distance from our house in Thu Duc; serving non-stop French pressed coffees playing popular American music such as Abba, Beegees and Blondie.  Thirty years passed and my aunts and uncles still reflect till this day how much they’ve enjoyed running the cafés, offering an enjoyable space for people to connect, tell stories to pass their monotonous day.

Being thoughtful in designing and environment to allow by-chance meetings and informal gathering is like providing the soil condition for new seedlings to sprout and flourish. It’s amazing how the impact of our environment can affect our social well-fare as a society. Distance, convenience, open or enclosed space can impact human behavior in how we navigate and choose to spend our time in each place to bring meaningful human exchanges. I love the idea how “Third Places” bring people together organically, unforced therefore instilling diversity, which has the potential new thinking, innovation to happen. Personally, it makes me consider from a perspective of a designer to consider the approach to the practice of interaction design to build for “we” or for “me”?

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Amy on “Third Places”

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Sneha on “Third Places”

Reading Oldenburg’s writing made me think of the sharp contrast in the availability of third spaces in places I have lived in.

In my childhood years, I grew up in an urban condo building complex in Mumbai. In the evenings, all the kids in the housing association of 50 buildings played in the centralized open courtyard lawns and the association frequently held events for the kids and adults in the neighborhood. You would immediately meet all new-comers to the neighborhood, as well as get to know who was getting married, when, and other such day-to-day gossip. All building residents would regularly play “Housie” (the indian version of Bingo) on the roof. Third places were abundant here because of the ideal mix of a densely populated cluster of people and the unified cultural preference for extended families and community life in India.

In the early 90s, we moved as a family to an apartment complex in the suburban sprawl of Cupertino, California. The city was a melting pot of cultures, and was seeing an influx of immigrants, like ourselves, arriving from various parts of the world to be part of the newly burgeoning tech industry. We were shocked by the sudden emptiness in our lives. There was no one to borrow sugar from and I got a general sense that you could walk many miles into the neighborhood and not see very many people outside. In passing, the usual “how are you’s” seemed like a mere formality before people entered their well-guarded private spaces. I did see cultural pockets of third places being created, but they were private and exclusive to each culture (various asian community centers, faith-based gatherings, etc). Even when a city like Cupertino does create a public city plaza or a park, it largely remains sparsely occupied because it is still a driving distance from everyone’s houses. The “successful” third places seem to be commercially motivated. There is a rise in outdoor malls which have adopted an artificial version of the “ european plaza” look. People congregate here to shop at high-end stores, drink coffee in outdoor areas, and get a feeling that there are many people walking around them. While people are getting their third space needs fulfilled, they are paying a big price for it.

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Santana Row, an outdoor “European plaza” mall near Cupertino

 

I think the thirst for third spaces, experiences, and a connection to people is a large reason why many people are forgoing personal possessions and space of suburbia and moving closer to urban environments.

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A Third Place

The concept of having a “third place” speaks directly to me. As a kid, and now as well, my local comic shop was usually the only place for me to discuss with others on the then nerdy subcultures of comics and gaming. There was really no place for that type of discussion anywhere else in my life, sadly even to my closest friends.

In Oldenburg’s, Our Vanishing “Third Places”, he discusses these effects for neighborhoods. I think that concept can easily be expanded to our “passions”. Being connected to many others because of your like-passions is one of the main reasons why I came to New York.

New York, to me, is the epicenter of tight knit communities, and only continues to grow.

As Oldenburg mentions, discourse is key. It’s the glue to all of this. Every week there is a symposium on comics, which is housed between Parsons, SVA, and Columbia. There are panels and presenters who gather a small group of people to discuss the past, present, and future of the medium. The diversity of range from professional to just a reader at the symposium allows unique ideas and questions to be in conversation. This extends to my own understanding as well.

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Photo: Connie Sun

Knowing that there is a location that holds a forum on the things I connect to, makes me feel more connected to what’s around me.

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